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« on: January 02, 2013, 02:52:11 PM »

Is there such thing as a 3 stage shock, that would allow much more travel?
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« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2013, 08:34:28 PM »

my first guess, air shocks


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shock_absorber



Vehicle suspension
Lever-action hydraulic shock absorber in a classic car suspension (combined with front suspension's upper A-arm). (example displayed is from a Russian GAZ-21 Volga sedan)

In a vehicle, shock absorbers reduce the effect of traveling over rough ground, leading to improved ride quality and increase in comfort. While shock absorbers serve the purpose of limiting excessive suspension movement, their intended sole purpose is to dampen spring oscillations. Shock absorbers use valving of oil and gasses to absorb excess energy from the springs. Spring rates are chosen by the manufacturer based on the weight of the vehicle, loaded and unloaded. Some people use shocks to modify spring rates but this is not the correct use. Along with hysteresis in the tire itself, they dampen the energy stored in the motion of the unsprung weight up and down. Effective wheel bounce damping may require tuning shocks to an optimal resistance.

Spring-based shock absorbers commonly use coil springs or leaf springs, though torsion bars are used in torsional shocks as well. Ideal springs alone, however, are not shock absorbers, as springs only store and do not dissipate or absorb energy. Vehicles typically employ both hydraulic shock absorbers and springs or torsion bars. In this combination, "shock absorber" refers specifically to the hydraulic piston that absorbs and dissipates vibration.
Structures

Applied to a structure such as a building or bridge it may be part of a seismic retrofit or as part of new, earthquake resistant construction. In this application it allows yet restrains motion and absorbs resonant energy, which can cause excessive motion and eventual structural failure.
Electrical generation

It may eventually be possible to generate useful energy from the displacement of the fluid in a shock absorber.[3]
Energy absorption

Shock absorbers are sometimes used to absorb kinetic energy during lifting with offshore cranes. The kinetic energy comes from velocity differences due to wave motion.
Types of shock absorbers

There are several commonly-used approaches to shock absorption:

    Hysteresis of structural material, for example the compression of rubber disks, stretching of rubber bands and cords, bending of steel springs, or twisting of torsion bars. Hysteresis is the tendency for otherwise elastic materials to rebound with less force than was required to deform them. Simple vehicles with no separate shock absorbers are damped, to some extent, by the hysteresis of their springs and frames.

    Dry friction as used in wheel brakes, by using disks (classically made of leather) at the pivot of a lever, with friction forced by springs. Used in early automobiles such as the Ford Model T, up through some British cars of the 1940s. Although now considered obsolete, an advantage of this system is its mechanical simplicity; the degree of damping can be easily adjusted by tightening or loosening the screw clamping the disks, and it can be easily rebuilt with simple hand tools. A disadvantage is that the damping force tends not to increase with the speed of the vertical motion.

    For more details on this topic, see Friction disk shock absorber.

    Solid state, tapered chain shock absorbers, using one or more tapered, axial alignment(s) of granular spheres, typically made of metals such as nitinol, in a casing. [1],[2]

    Fluid friction, for example the flow of fluid through a narrow orifice (hydraulics), constitute the vast majority of automotive shock absorbers. This design first appeared on Mors racing cars in 1902.[4] One advantage of this type is, by using special internal valving, the absorber may be made relatively soft to compression (allowing a soft response to a bump) and relatively stiff to extension, controlling "rebound", which is the vehicle response to energy stored in the springs; similarly, a series of valves controlled by springs can change the degree of stiffness according to the velocity of the impact or rebound. Specialized shock absorbers for racing purposes may allow the front end of a dragster to rise with minimal resistance under acceleration, then strongly resist letting it settle, thereby maintaining a desirable rearward weight distribution for enhanced traction. Some shock absorbers allow tuning of the ride via control of the valve by a manual adjustment provided at the shock absorber. In more expensive vehicles the valves may be remotely adjustable, offering the driver control of the ride at will while the vehicle is operated. The ultimate control is provided by dynamic valve control via computer in response to sensors, giving both a smooth ride and a firm suspension when needed. Many shock absorbers are pressurised with compressed nitrogen, to reduce the tendency for the oil to cavitate under heavy use. This causes foaming which temporarily reduces the damping ability of the unit. In very heavy duty units used for racing or off-road use, there may even be a secondary cylinder connected to the shock absorber to act as a reservoir for the oil and pressurized gas.

    For more details on this topic, see Lever arm shock absorber.

    In electrorheological fluid damper, an electric field changes the viscosity of the oil. This principle allows semi-active dampers application in automotive and various industries.

    Other principles use magnetic field variation magneto rheological damper which changes its fluid characteristics through an electromagnet.

    Compression of a gas, for example pneumatic shock absorbers, which can act like springs as the air pressure is building to resist the force on it. Once the air pressure reaches the necessary maximum, air dashpots will act like hydraulic dashpots. In aircraft landing gear air dashpots may be combined with hydraulic damping to reduce bounce. Such struts are called oleo struts (combining oil and air) [3].

    Magnetic effects. Eddy current dampers are dashpots that are constructed out of a large magnet inside of a non-magnetic, electrically conductive tube.

    Inertial resistance to acceleration, for example prior to 1966 [4] the Citroën 2CV had shock absorbers that damp wheel bounce with no external moving parts. These consisted of a spring-mounted 3.5 kg (7.75 lb) iron weight inside a vertical cylinder [5] and are similar to, yet much smaller than versions of the tuned mass dampers used on tall buildings.

    Composite hydropneumatic devices which combine in a single device spring action, shock absorption, and often also ride-height control, as in some models of the Citroën automobile.

    Conventional shock absorbers combined with composite pneumatic springs which allow ride height adjustment or even ride height control, seen in some large trucks and luxury sedans such as certain Lincoln and most Land Rover automobiles. Ride height control is especially desirable in highway vehicles intended for occasional rough road use, as a means of improving handling and reducing aerodynamic drag by lowering the vehicle when operating on improved high speed roads.

    The effect of a shock absorber at high (sound) frequencies is usually limited by using a compressible gas as the working fluid or mounting it with rubber bushings.

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« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2013, 08:40:53 PM »

also, if you any type of lever? type of suspension, then you'd want to mount the shock at it's length of travel that compresses and extension.

The word is not lever, it's like a pair of scissors, you mount it at the best location for the travel of the shock.
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« Reply #3 on: January 02, 2013, 08:42:18 PM »

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6899014.html

http://www.google.com/patents?id=X7rNAQAAEBAJ&pg=PA2&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q&f=false


All I could find, but the lever shock is interesting, found on early/vintage cars
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« Reply #4 on: January 02, 2013, 08:59:06 PM »

http://www.brookwell.co.uk/products/DEFENDER_%28NOT_NAS%29/all/300TDI/Uprated_Suspension/Uprated_Shock_Absorbers/Mega_Sport_Shock_Absorber


Brand: TERRAFIRMA
Part No:TF135

Description: Mega Sport Shock Absorber

Unit of Issue: 1

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TERRAFIRMA MEGA SPORT +9 inch FRONT

Will also require TF540 Fitting kit.

The ultimate 4×4 shock absorber, previously only associated with custom built off road competition vehicles. The Terrafirma Mega Sport shock combines the finest quality machining, specialist components and design features and is built to stand up to the punishment encountered in the hardest off road conditions. Multi stage damping provides outstanding control and the high volume oil contained within the huge remote resevoir dissipates heat ensuring consistent performance for long periods regardless of the terrain.

Constructed from bright zinc plated 52mm diameter steel tube machined to extremely high tolerances with a 46mm piston in a monotube design with Terrafirma’s customary super strong 20mm hard chromed shaft. Blue anodised machined alloy fittings complete the impressive looks.

Terrafirma Mega Sport shocks can be adjusted by varying the nitrogen pressure using a gassing kit such as our TFGASKIT. The shocks are factory set at 150psi fr immediate fitment and can be adjusted between 100 and 200psi to suit conditions and driving style. Higher nitrogen pressure will result in increased damping giving a firmer more controlled ride.

The Mega Sport shock is not vehicle specific and as such will suit custom vehicle builders. Unique Terrafirma mounting systems have been produced to fit these amazing shocks to Land Rover Defenders. It is also possible to fit them to Discovery 1 and Range Rover Classics with some minor modifications needed to the inner wings and panel work.


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« Reply #5 on: January 02, 2013, 09:06:27 PM »

http://mgaguru.com/mgtech/suspensn/fs125.htm


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« Reply #6 on: January 02, 2013, 09:08:14 PM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lever_arm_shock_absorber

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« Reply #7 on: January 02, 2013, 09:09:24 PM »

http://www.completeautomobilist.com/products/502m-andre-hartford-shock-absorber-model-502m


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« Reply #8 on: January 02, 2013, 09:12:35 PM »

http://www.smallfordspares.co.uk/plates/120-105e-rear-shock-absorber



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« Reply #9 on: January 02, 2013, 09:33:21 PM »

http://www.classicautoshocks.com/home

just some unusual shocks, takes too. "save image as" is disabled. So it take more time to copy, edit and upload. check them out.
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