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From:
Rick Dizzle


What up hydros! I had Reds Double Top pumps back in like 2002...I ran them in a 94 -4 door Honda Accord. What I remember, and forgive me as it was many years and set ups ago, was having issues with the ball sealing and the spring being weak...we used to stretch the lil spring to what we thought would create a tighter seal. (Obviously I was young and did not have a solid understanding or principles and that clearly would just make the issue worse.) The seal that once I started blowing and then kept blowing once it blew was the black o-ring right inside under the dump cartridge. I searched for some pics online of a double top taken apart and could not find any. It has been like 13 years since I worked on one and would have to see the pump with the dump cartridge off and I could point it out. I remember not being able to figure out why it kept blowing. Keep in mind this was a low voltage FBSS set up for laying my Accord on the ground, never got on this set up hard. I looked at the seating of the o-ring and it was clean, no chips, gouges and or imperfections that were visible to the eye that would cause a bypass and blow it. I tried installing the o-ring pre-lubed with a lil oil on it, dry with no oil and cleaned seat and so on. And I could lock up the car, drive across town and boom, it would start leaking or blow out. I remember vaguely (if I remember correct) seeing the o-ring push up past the nut head that it sat under. I hope this makes sense. If you post any picks, I will circle what I am referring too. Thanks for looking into this and hope my info provides some insight to the issues I had when I was younger/less knowledgeable.

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Date: 09-14-2015, 06:42 PM
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REDS double dump cartridge on block and leak issues

The main problem is the dumps start to leak at the block and cartridge. The o-ring appears to give out. After studying the block I found of few things that can help solve this.

Below is my article and replies from another site:


 Reds double solinoid blocks and check valve seal leakage problems

    I just got my first Reds blocks today, and was checking to see what all the fuss was about the failure of check valves.

    IMO Reds made these as fast and cheap as possible. Looking at an Old Stone/Fenner check valve system, it's obvious what the problem was with Reds. IMO you do not use the same strength of metal-to-metal contact, especially if one part can rotate, that being the ball.

    Fenner/Stone used aluminum as the contact surface of the ball and a used a steel pin to push on the center only of the ball. Plus Fenner used a steel sleeve that almost completely surrounded the spring. As for Reds, this spring could have been a bit stronger, as to not get knocked out of place. Just bad machining.

    IMO Reds could have done three things to make the better check valve, first would have been to use a soft metal insert inside the block for the check ball to sit on. The other idea would be to use something other than a ball or made of a material that may or may not have bee around back then.

    EDIT Stone may not have used 100% ball to stem aluminum contact, I'll need to check, but I think Stone used a concave insert. I need to look at the old fittings.





As for blowing seals, I don't have an example of a bad valve, I believe all these issue can be fixed and improved on. It's just metal.
So don't throw out those blocks just yet, especially if you like that look.

From: joe escobedo <chepo10442@yahoo.com>
Subject: dump valves
To: tony@hell.biz
Cc: tony@hell.biz
Date: Monday, April 19, 2010, 1:26 PM

i saw some of the stuff you posted up on the internet about Lowriders. I had a question i have some sterling dump valve on my town car but they don't work anymore the Valve stems are bad you know where i can get new ones. Its the part in the middle that broke you can see it at http://www.eternalrollerz.com/TechArticles/DumpValves.htm  but they don't sell them is there something else that might work , thanks for the help


From: A Castillo <tjjjc2@yahoo.com>
To: joe escobedo <chepo10442@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, April 19, 2010 7:21:17 PM
Subject: Re: dump valves

Joe sometimes I wonder if all those smaller valve are all the same.

Is it like broken in two pieces?

I suspect the newer delta, waterman, parker and hydro-force were are all the same, But I can't recall ever seeing a Sterling.Sorry I can't help, but I did a little checking.

Try here: http://www.grainger.com/Grainger/valves/hydraulics/ecatalog/N-9ed/No-60?op=search&sst=subset

But with shipping cost, it might be an idea to buy another valve.

http://cgi.ebay.com/HydraForce-Hydraulic-Valve-SV58-20-4-NEW-/190388073517?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c5403742d

http://cgi.ebay.com/HYDRAFORCE-6306024-SOLENOID-VALVE-COIL-24VDC-24-VDC-24V-/270421493267?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3ef6608613

http://cgi.ebay.com/DELTA-85002279-DF-S3A-00-HYDRAULIC-VALVE-1EA-/290388290342?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Pneumatic_Hydraulic_Valves_Parts&hash=item439c7dab26

When I go your way again, I'll bring my own food cause the in-laws are not Latinos. I bring my California carne asada, like I said before, we have happy cows, and no telling what I'll get with Nevada cows.  I always stock up before I head to LV.  

Learn to make a GOOD Spanish rice, it's in the pepper and butter.

Lightly butter the corn tortillas both sides and heat, throw on the cooked meat correctly cut, with cilantro, avocado and a Little salsa. Best to use a BBQ, no seasoning needed, just cut it against the grain when done,  M-MW is fine.


Kinda the same way for fish tacos, but those have a 1/3 slice of cheese. I used to be a cook, and the chef would copy my recipes.

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Alot of Japanese lowriders are older people, who like it slow and mellow, so they'll install 2pump 2batteries 2switch setups, that's just the Japanese way, on 12 or 24 volts

The guy from http://www.speednuts.net imports alot of lowriders to japan, he`s got a whole bunch of pics and movies on his website

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/bd/dd/c7/bdddc79acdd5fa9ada2e40a385a8245d.jpg&imgrefurl=https://www.pinterest.com/1966scottsman/3-wheeling/&h=413&w=736&tbnid=jutuTs5QUF1_qM:&docid=XXjM97_V8-_ctM&ei=SHEKVuDsKtSyyATToKm4Dg&tbm=isch&ved=0CF8QMyg4MDhqFQoTCOCwzriNnMgCFVQZkgodU1AK5w

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Yea iot was run by him to my knowledge, and if I remember coreectly they did just drop off the face of the earth. Many people were beginning to have problems, and I suspect his china manufacture may have fallen through or whatever happened. I dont think they were made in the US, and if they were, they were always behind on production, because almost EVERYONE was BACKORDERED at one point in time.

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OneStopCustoms


    american hydraulics, use to be owned by al crane... suppose to have been sold to a new person... ah2

So many old stories about him and was it American Machine. Why was he hated on, where was he located, what companies did he make parts for, he and Ted Wells did business right? or was it Stillman? What years was he in business.

Who is this guy Al Crane??